Elon buys Twitter

[Crissa]

Ugh, too many posts. Sorry, guys.

Weird Thought. What if SpaceX moved Twitter‘s servers into orbit?

Musk’s free speech stance might put him on a collision course with China.

Starlink is on a collision course with national network gateways.

Currently, the nationality of spacecraft is based upon the owner. Not where it was launched, not where it was built. And since all of us exist somewhere on the planet...

But yes, that would be an end-run around such laws. But the packets themselves have to get to Earth and make it through ground-based gateways which could filter them.

-Crissa

 

[JBee]

The free speech idea was good whilst only people in earshot could hear you, and could identify who you are for future reference, as to avoid you or join you.

Social media is not free speech, it is publishing. Publishing ideas to the masses that would normally be filtered and dismissed by direct human interaction is dangerous. Further, written speech is persistent and an idea can remain whilst the spoken word is long forgotten.

Being able to say things anonymously perpetuates evil.

So say what you mean and stand by what you say.

 

[John K]

Social Media is the new communications utility of the 21st century, and quickly becoming the most important. It should be a place of 100% free speech, and for the most part free of monitoring. It's illegal for the government or anyone else to read your mail or listen to your phone calls without a warrant. The same should apply to Twitter and Facebook. These companies shouldn't shield you from "dangerous" content or curate what you see. You shouldn't be banned for dissenting views or even misinformation. Users should be able to block content or decide their feed preferences, but companies should not do that in secret. The aggressiveness of muting any questioning of covid vaccines during the pandemic has truly terrified me that we are only a few steps away from a very bad situation. So I welcome this news.

If I post on social media, “drink bleach to cure Covid”. Should I be protected to do so? People read, trust me and drink bleach ultimately suffer from my post. Should I be held liable or is it the reader’s fault for believing me?

If I post a false cure that is not dangerous to use but does not cure, am I liable they die when real cures exist or is it the reader’s fault for believing me? (Edit applied here)

If I contact the elderly through social media and claim I have their children and they will be tortured unless they give me Target gift cards, would that not be misinformation?

Should holocaust deniers post and promote white supremacy?

Should flat earthers post?

Should grandmothers post their beef stew recipe claiming it is the best in the world? (Btw, my two pot beef stew is the absolute best)

Should Bagdad Bob be allowed to push State news?

Those who answer all yes or all no tend to be the minority. The majority tends to want moderation with social rules, in the US, geared to protecting their freedom but also preventing preying on others. Everyone tends to be biased in suppressing anything countering their views.

Final question, should celebrities and/or politicians be held to a more rigid standard to be factual?

 

[JBee]

How can anything be factual if we are all, without exception, thwarted by our own perception?

Perception is reality.

We all have our own. But what a great thing it is when we can share our reality with somone else!

 

[John K]

How can anything be factual if we are all, without exception, thwarted by our own perception?

Perception is reality.

We all have our own. But what a great thing it is when we can share our reality with somone else!

Factual Statement
2+2=4

Beware of those who post 5 on social media

 

[Tinker71]

EM already said he can put them up faster than they can shoot them down.

(the US is both his greatest ally and his greatest threat btw)

Unfortunately the FAA or whatever body regulates launches could put a stop to the replacements pretty fast. Shootig

If I post on social media, “drink bleach to cure Covid”. Should I be protected to do so? People read, trust me and drink bleach ultimately suffer from my post. Should I be held liable or is it the reader’s fault for believing me?

If I post a false cure that is not dangerous to use but does not cure, am I liable they die when real cures exist or is it the reader’s fault for believing me? (Edit applied here)

If I contact the elderly through social media and claim I have their children and they will be tortured unless they give me Target gift cards, would that not be misinformation?

Should holocaust deniers post and promote white supremacy?

Should flat earthers post?

Should grandmothers post their beef stew recipe claiming it is the best in the world? (Btw, my two pot beef stew is the absolute best)

Should Bagdad Bob be allowed to push State news?

Those who answer all yes or all no tend to be the minority. The majority tends to want moderation with social rules, in the US, geared to protecting their freedom but also preventing preying on others. Everyone tends to be biased in suppressing anything countering their views.

Final question, should celebrities and/or politicians be held to a more rigid standard to be factual?

I am surprised that the moderator has not chimed in. This absolutely has to do with the Cybertruck because Elon is getting distracted and potentially in legal trouble. Most of what we are discussing is more important than the CT.

 

[madquadbiker]

I’ve been banned for life from Twitter…so I guess the algorithm felt I was antisocial.

Snap.

 

[JBee]

For that I would need to share your perception of math notation.

It could be 22.

(Reality is not just what we have been taught it is. How otherwise would we gain more insight of the world around us?)

 

[John K]

For that I would need to share your perception of math notation.

It could be 22.

(Reality is not just what we have been taught it is. How otherwise would we gain more insight of the world around us?)

Btw, the real answer is 42

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

I agree about the open source, at least on the face of methodology.

But...

No.

There are millions of users. It would be impossible for each user to curate a stream without abuse and misinformation from the millions of others. You'd literally be overwhelmed.

Being liable for what you are publishing means being held responsible scamming and abuse. There is no reason a platform should be party to your crimes.

Freedom of speech has never meant freedom to steal, scam, or abuse. Why should a platform be required to host such things?

-Crissa

It’s actually pretty easy for users to curate their social media, just like their personal life. My Twitter is pretty limited. I follow Elon, a few information sources i like, my favourite hockey team. My feed is a peaceful place where the world agrees with me and I tend to check it only at the end of the day to put me in a happy place before bed. The only way I would encounter people or opinions that bother me is if I seek them out. I don’t, not on Twitter.

When it comes to scam, steal or abuse we have to be careful. Social media isn’t a court of law. A “scam” can be hard to define. My Facebook was plagued with MLM marketing a while back. No, I don’t need Monet, my hair is fine. Is it a scam? To me it is, it’s a pyramid scheme. But not to others. I don’t think Facebook should give them the boot, but again I had the option of blocking them if I want. If something is outright theft, it should be turned over to the police. With abuse, again you can block abusers. If someone is going beyond “simple” abuse and, for example, sending penis pics to random women, this should be the area of law enforcement. Just like if they were sending them in the mail. There are laws against sexual harassment and exposure. Countries have been passing dick pic laws. It shouldn’t be social media’s job to police- they should get jail time.

I’ve seen enough of social media companies trying to be moral and legal judges. Heck, real judges have a hard enough time getting it right. My wife - immune compromised and triple vaxed at the time- shared a post on Facebook asking other women about the effects of Pfizer on her periods. (It’s a real, known issue that should be discussed). It was flagged as misinformation and replaced with a picture of a unicorn shitting rainbows. I wouldn’t believe the unicorn thing if I hadn’t seen it myself. If a FB employee can be that stupid and immature, I would put no limits on their willingness to shape narratives and politics.

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

If I post on social media, “drink bleach to cure Covid”. Should I be protected to do so? People read, trust me and drink bleach ultimately suffer from my post. Should I be held liable or is it the reader’s fault for believing me?

If I post a false cure that is not dangerous to use but does not cure, am I liable they die when real cures exist or is it the reader’s fault for believing me? (Edit applied here)

If I contact the elderly through social media and claim I have their children and they will be tortured unless they give me Target gift cards, would that not be misinformation?

Should holocaust deniers post and promote white supremacy?

Should flat earthers post?

Should grandmothers post their beef stew recipe claiming it is the best in the world? (Btw, my two pot beef stew is the absolute best)

Should Bagdad Bob be allowed to push State news?

Those who answer all yes or all no tend to be the minority. The majority tends to want moderation with social rules, in the US, geared to protecting their freedom but also preventing preying on others. Everyone tends to be biased in suppressing anything countering their views.

Final question, should celebrities and/or politicians be held to a more rigid standard to be factual?

I think all of it should be allowed except for your claims of having the best beef stew recipe.

The thing about all those things is that they have gone on for eternity and will continue to. If not on social media, then at local coffee shops or kitchen tables. Most of these things are not illegal. Your example of demanding gift cards is extortion. You should go to jail for that. Facebook mods aren't equipped to handle that, but someone should report you to police, they should get a warrant for your social media records and charge you so you can spend a long time locked up.

Can you recommend false cures? Sure. People do it every day of the week. Most "natural" remedies are garbage/scams. But they're also hard to prove or disprove. The only exception is if you falsely pretend you are a doctor or otherwise qualified to provide medical advice. Then again, you should be charged and go to jail.

People should be allowed to be racists, idiots and assholes. Remember that at one time being gay was illegal. Communists went to jail, though I see a good number of kids in colleges with Soviet flags in their window today. Although it's impossible for us to see, at least something - probably many things - that we are currently accepting as morally right and truth, will one day be looked at as backward, stupid and evil. There is a dissenting view somewhere out there that is being oppressed and frowned upon that will one day be accepted and celebrated. We need to allow it to be free and openly discussed. I doubt it's that the world is flat, but heck, I have an open mind.

 

[CyberGus]

I’ve been banned for life from Twitter…so I guess the algorithm felt I was antisocial.

Donald? Is that you??

 

[CyberGus]

You'd be hard pressed to find a better person to invest. He's a free speech absolutist, so his goal here is obvious.

Do you think Elon will unlock the account of the "Former Guy"

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

Do you think Elon will unlock the account of the "Former Guy"

I don’t know, I don’t think he likes him or cares that much. His main reason for getting involved was when they banned Babylon Bee. I would expect the Bee to be Tweeting again by the end of the week.

 

[John K]

I think all of it should be allowed except for your claims of having the best beef stew recipe.

The thing about all those things is that they have gone on for eternity and will continue to. If not on social media, then at local coffee shops or kitchen tables. Most of these things are not illegal. Your example of demanding gift cards is extortion. You should go to jail for that. Facebook mods aren't equipped to handle that, but someone should report you to police, they should get a warrant for your social media records and charge you so you can spend a long time locked up.

Can you recommend false cures? Sure. People do it every day of the week. Most "natural" remedies are garbage/scams. But they're also hard to prove or disprove. The only exception is if you falsely pretend you are a doctor or otherwise qualified to provide medical advice. Then again, you should be charged and go to jail.

People should be allowed to be racists, idiots and assholes. Remember that at one time being gay was illegal. Communists went to jail, though I see a good number of kids in colleges with Soviet flags in their window today. Although it's impossible for us to see, at least something - probably many things - that we are currently accepting as morally right and truth, will one day be looked at as backward, stupid and evil. There is a dissenting view somewhere out there that is being oppressed and frowned upon that will one day be accepted and celebrated. We need to allow it to be free and openly discussed. I doubt it's that the world is flat, but heck, I have an open mind.

The following link especially applies to my two pot beef stew criticism



(passing off my bad behavior as, it’s a joke)

we are not in agreement on our positions but, pausing the conversation in these fora before being banned ??