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Tesla CEO Elon Musk mocks UAW, slams union over corruption

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In history of human civiliation, business leaders, corporate leaders, religious organization leaders and nations have proved to be more apt to put themselves above all else compared to labor unions.
Seems unions are outdated now.....Look

WSWS attacks IG Metall:


Break with the unions
Major class struggles are inevitable. But to win, workers must break with the unions. Over the past four decades, these have transformed themselves from reformist workers organizations into paid lackeys of capital.

The IG Metall unreservedly represents the interests of German corporations in the global trade war. It supports the corporate attacks on wages and jobs, as well as the preparations for military rearmament and war. With its army of 50,000 works council representatives and 80,000 shop stewards, it is pushing through the elimination of tens of thousands of jobs and the closure of entire plants against the resistance of the workers.

For example, the Opel plant in Bochum, which once employed 22,000 workers, could not have been closed without the active support of IG Metall (IGM). At Volkswagen, IGM works council representatives agreed five years ago to cut 30,000 jobs in a “ pact for the future .” Works council head Bernd Osterloh has been rewarded for this with a board position at truck subsidiary Traton, where he earns two million euros a year, more than an assembly line worker earns in a lifetime.

Now, IG Metall is responding to the growing willingness to fight in the factories by clinging even more closely to the corporate boards and the government. That is the reason behind the rallies “for fair, socio-ecological change in industry” it is calling in more than 50 cities on October 29.

IG Metall is not mobilizing to defend jobs but for “fair burden sharing.” As if the burden could be “fairly shared” between a BMW worker who loses his job and the billionaires Quandt and Klatten! In reality, the demand for “fair burden sharing” is merely the form in which IGM offers the corporations its support in cutting jobs.

While the large corporations have already received billions in government money during the 2009 financial crisis and the coronavirus pandemic, IG Metall is now demanding on their behalf a further cash injection of 500 billion euros in the form of “public investments in the future.”

IG Metall is also offering its services to the incoming German federal government. Through these rallies, it wants to involve itself with “effective publicity in the current coalition negotiations,” it says. In this context, the incoming coalition government, which will likely consist of the Social Democratic Party (SPD), Green Party and the Free Democratic Party (FDP), stands unreservedly in the camp of capital. The SPD and Greens, which initiated a comprehensive social counterrevolution under Chancellor Gerhard Schröder, are allying themselves with the FDP, the lobby group of the financial oligarchy and the super-rich.

Build independent rank-and-file committees
The class struggle is international. No matter how hard IG Metall and the media try to suppress information about labour disputes in other countries, workers follow the struggles of their international colleagues with solidarity and enthusiasm. They face the same multinational corporations and financial interests around the world. That is why they must not allow themselves to be divided. They can only defend their jobs, rights and achievements if they coordinate their struggles internationally.

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Workers of the Dana subsidiary GWB in Essen show solidarity with their American colleagues
This requires a break with the trade unions and that workers establish independent rank-and-file committees. These committees must organize the struggle against plant closures, layoffs and social cuts, and build links with workers at other sites and in other countries.

In May, the International Committee of the Fourth International and its affiliated Socialist Equality Parties initiated the International Workers Alliance of Rank-and-File Committees (IWA-RFC) to create, as we wrote, “new forms of independent, democratic and militant rank-and-file organizations of workers in factories, schools and workplaces on an international scale.”

Now, it is a matter of building rank-and-file committees in numerous workplaces that will make the defence of jobs a matter of principle. The right to work is a fundamental right. Technological progress must not be subordinated to the profit interests of shareholders and investors. It is a matter of defending the livelihoods of the working class, the only progressive class that can resolve the world’s social problems.

The building of independent rank-and-file committees is directly linked to the struggle for a socialist perspective. Without breaking the power of the financial aristocracy, not a single problem can be solved. Only the expropriation of the corporations and banks without compensation creates the conditions for democratic control over production. Only then is it possible to develop production according to a plan, in the interests of the working class and social needs.

To all workers who want to fight against the attacks of the corporations, we invite you to contact the Sozialistischen Gleichheitspartei (Socialist Equality Party), read the World Socialist Web Site and subscribe to the Autoworker Newsletter. We fight daily for a working-class perspective on the most important political events and inform workers about struggles happening around the world. We will help you form rank-and-file committees and develop international contacts. And we are building the Fourth International as the leadership of the international socialist movement.


https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/10/28/igme-o28.html
 

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In history of human civilization, business leaders, corporate leaders, religious organization leaders and nations have proved to be more apt to put themselves above all else compared to labor unions.
To be honest, I have been represented by a union in the Canadian Government for 19 years after my 22 years in the Canadian Forces (no union). I have been served well by them in negotiating new contracts for employees. My beef was that "my union" (I had no choice) would take some of our union dues to support other unions and act as a "political party" from the far left supporting events, actions and other social issues that had nothing to do with my job. In my view, the union were surpassing their mandate in representing us because of the behaviour of the "union brotherhood" mentality. Not fair in my view to we employees, as they were putting words in our mouths.

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Do you think the UAW would be good for Tesla?

I do see a further push by UAW to get into Tesla. The handwriting is on the wall(all over the wall actually, more like graffiti).

Elon Musk is no fan of UAW.....the battle will be epic!
the UAW would have to explain why they're better for the employees. At present unionizing isn't in the employees best interest.
 

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...My beef was that "my union" (I had no choice) would take some of our union dues to support other unions and act as a "political party" from the...
How is this a beef?

What it is, is selfishness. Unions have to fight to survive and exist because businesses and those opposed interests most definitely will. You called them 'far left' - you espoused the very reason unions are in decline. Not their politics: Yours. Why do you even define union politics as 'far left'? Might it be because those who profit from there nit being unions have made sure to support media and politics that painted collective action as bad?

Wrong. The UAW will not allow another union to represent Tesla employees working in auto production.
They don't get a say. They cannot stop another Union from forming or even members of their own union from breaking off any more than Ford can stop Tesla from making cars.

Settlements happen with unions.
Duh.
https://www.thestar.com/business/opinion/2021/02/20/unionized-construction-work-is-safe-work.html
Time and time again, Union workplaces are safer than nonunion. That doesn't mean things don't happen - it means they're more likely caught.

Never go by "rumors", only facts.
Then why do you skip past the facts for the rumors?

Not in Tesla's case.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/special-pleading

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"You can't solve problem on the same level it was created. You have to rise above it to the next level." - Albert Einstein

"The greatest inhibitor of innovation is the inability to let go of obselete ideas." - JBee :p

Unions "served" their purpose. Past tense.

There is a more fundamental reason EM is "against" them in that he does not actively support their use or creation: they do NOT assist in the completion of his vision.

Anything that does not serve a purpose is useless.

In that regard currently the unions primary purpose is to form a basis of political control so both outdated ideas can survive. This is self evident in their moves towards Tesla and at the same time their obvious shuffling of the deck to their own benefit.
 
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It would be a really bad idea to unionize Tesla. They are innovating at a pace that the union could not keep up with and our civilization needs people like Elon to shake the rust off our ways of thinking and doing and expose what we could be. The unions fight for profit and and comfort and Tesla isn't ready for that nor should we ask them to be. Let the unions go over to Apple. Or let Tesla move their manufacturing overseas and let them once again prove that the US can't get over itself enough to actually manufacture again.
 

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Unions are obsolete in most cases, though not all. In Tesla’s case there is no benefit to the employees. Isn’t a union intention to help employees? Well, in this case it only goes to serve the useless corrupt a holes at the top of the union… and it would only slow Tesla down! Terrible idea. At least the people who it actually matters to agree and have not opted to pay for crap they don’t need!
 

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Tesla could use a union to outsource HR concerns, offload health insurance and similar liabilities, and to help grease the wheels of moving employees around from factory line to line.

The facts exist, and the knee-jerk anti-union screeds that show up around here is not surprising, if ignorant.

I could easily complain about existing unions - people my age were shut out by unions with tiered contracts and protectionist practices. But unions are no more corrupt than any other company or collection of humans. These things I have a problem with could easily be solved with better regulation of what contract stipulations are fair and which shouldn't be allowed. And unions could represent more workers in a workplace instead of being fragmented and leaving vast swaths unprotected - see also adjunct teaching or office workers for examples.

Just saying 'union bad' does the dirty work of the very people who profit from the race to the bottom in safety and sharing the profits. That Tesla does so well while not tipping the scale should be a big red flag that it's an outlier and not the norm. And their settlements and court cases show that they could run leaner and better if they had someone advocating to remove the bad apples in management who abuse their authority and insulate themselves from responsibility when things do go wrong.

-Crissa
 

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Tesla could use a union to outsource HR concerns, offload health insurance and similar liabilities, and to help grease the wheels of moving employees around from factory line to line.

The facts exist, and the knee-jerk anti-union screeds that show up around here is not surprising, if ignorant.

I could easily complain about existing unions - people my age were shut out by unions with tiered contracts and protectionist practices. But unions are no more corrupt than any other company or collection of humans. These things I have a problem with could easily be solved with better regulation of what contract stipulations are fair and which shouldn't be allowed. And unions could represent more workers in a workplace instead of being fragmented and leaving vast swaths unprotected - see also adjunct teaching or office workers for examples.

Just saying 'union bad' does the dirty work of the very people who profit from the race to the bottom in safety and sharing the profits. That Tesla does so well while not tipping the scale should be a big red flag that it's an outlier and not the norm. And their settlements and court cases show that they could run leaner and better if they had someone advocating to remove the bad apples in management who abuse their authority and insulate themselves from responsibility when things do go wrong.

-Crissa
I'm not sure in what fantasy world unions can be separated from politics.

Maybe there unicorns can innovate too and build CTs for the surface of the sun.
 
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Tesla could use a union to outsource HR concerns
LOL surely you jest!

offload health insurance and similar liabilities
Unions don't "offload health insurance", they negotiate a contract with a company(in this case it would be Tesla) to pay for employee's health insurance.

and to help grease the wheels of moving employees around from factory line to line.
I'm pretty sure Tesla can do that without a union.

and the knee-jerk anti-union screeds that show up around here is not surprising, if ignorant.
So all but you and your opinionsare ignorant, right? LOL

But unions are no more corrupt than any other company or collection of humans.
True. So why add another layer of corruption between employer/employee?


And their settlements and court cases show that they could run leaner and better if they had someone advocating to remove the bad apples in management who abuse their authority and insulate themselves from responsibility when things do go wrong.

Nope. Settlements and court cases depend on a jury and judge. Some are overturned upon appeal for obvious reasons.
 

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Unions don't "offload health insurance", they negotiate a contract with a company to...
There are unions that merely have the company pay towards the union's health plan - which means the plan continues as long as people are members rather than only while they're employed. Some use a hybrid of this - both of these methods make for a larger pool of users and reduce health insurance overhead.

Your description is narrow and weirdly biased.

I'm pretty sure Tesla can do that without a union.
Union employees are more loyal than non-union employees. So moving non-union employees tends to cost more in the end - more training and replacement cost, especially if you're not able to (checks notes) pay less wages for replacements. You know, something that is bad for workers.

True. So why add another layer of corruption between employer/employee?
And you were wondering why I called your posts ignorant. I've already answered this:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/05/uni...ecades-but-union-workers-still-earn-more.html
Again, I answered this, and this is why your posts sound ignorant.
https://scholars.org/contribution/how-unions-help-prevent-workplace-deaths-united-states

Unless, of course, you think worker health isn't something to be valued.

-Crissa
 
 
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