Ford/GM/Superchargers... the ELEPHANT in the room......

[cvalue13]

A Lightening with a large battery will probably take as long to charge.

why do you think that? Or I guess I should say, what’s “as long to charge”?

for an ER, it’s ~40min from 15-80% (131 kWh usable)


The S/X have what, 100kWh usable? As I understand it, they are ~30min from 15-80%, no?

If so, seems **about** the same rate, adjusting for the ~25% larger pack in the Lightning?

 

[Rockvillerich]

why do you think that? Or I guess I should say, what’s “as long to charge”?

for an ER, it’s ~40min from 15-80% (131 kWh usable)


The S/X have what, 100kWh usable? As I understand it, they are ~30min from 15-80%, no?

If so, seems **about** the same rate, adjusting for the ~25% larger pack in the Lightning?

According to Google the Bolt charges in 9.5 hrs. @ 220V, and the short range Lightening 10 hrs...so yeah unless there's some big advantage for the Ford while supercharging I wouldn't expect the difference in charge-time to be huge.

 

[cvalue13]

According to Google the Bolt charges in 9.5 hrs. @ 220V, and the short range Lightening 10 hrs...so yeah unless there's some big advantage for the Ford while supercharging I wouldn't expect the difference in charge-time to be huge.

I thought we’re talking about supercharging?

You appear to be looking at L2 charge rates. For which a model X/S also takes ~10.5hrs

But with L3 supercharging, I just recounted: the Lightning 133kWh pack charges 15-80% in ~40mins, while the Model S/X 100kWh pack charges 15-80% in ~30mins

 

[Sirfun]

So the Elephant in the room. Is full size pick-up trucks in mid sized parking.

One other thing that hasn't been brought up in this conversation is Tesla is saying the Cybertrucks are going to be capable of high speed charging, WAY beyond 250. So they need to add those chargers, and make them FULL SIZED pull through. High speed charger parking ONLY!

 

[cvalue13]

So they need to add those chargers, and make them FULL SIZED pull through.

Dupercharger?

 

[Crissa]

There aren't that many Bolts out there, the batteries are small, and they've been discontinued, so I don't worry that much about them. A Lightening with a large battery will probably take as long to charge. Yep, adding other vehicles will be a bit of a pain until the number of chargers becomes high enough to accommodate mass adoption. If I'm not mistaken there were similar issues with gas stations back in the early 1900's.

They plan to sell 70k of them this year.

There are more Bolts than practically anything but Leafs and Tesla Model 3 or Y.

What really makes the most sense to me is lining them up like gas pumps with an aisle between (like a Costco gas station) so that trucks and SUVs pulling trailers can just pull up, but also people can maneuver around vehicles that are currently hooked up.

Not really. That's very inefficient spacing per charger.

And Tesla plans to use the navigation software to manage queues, so they don't have to buy pavement.

According to Google the Bolt charges in 9.5 hrs. @ 220V, and the short range Lightening 10 hrs...so yeah unless there's some big advantage for the Ford while supercharging I wouldn't expect the difference in charge-time to be huge.

That is... what?

Those numbers aren't the least bit comparable. It's not the voltage that matters on Level 2 so much - since it's going to be 240 - as the amperage.

The 131kWh Lightning is twice the size of the Bolt and requires a much beefier Level 2 EVSE to charge in ten hours.

-Crissa

 

[Rockvillerich]

They plan to sell 70k of them this year.

There are more Bolts than practically anything but Leafs and Tesla Model 3 or Y.


Not really. That's very inefficient spacing per charger.

And Tesla plans to use the navigation software to manage queues, so they don't have to buy pavement.


That is... what?

Those numbers aren't the least bit comparable. It's not the voltage that matters on Level 2 so much - since it's going to be 240 - as the amperage.

The 131kWh Lightning is twice the size of the Bolt and requires a much beefier Level 2 EVSE to charge in ten hours.

-Crissa

A little under 80,000 Bolts total in four years, which is less than 1/4 of model 3 and Y production in Q4 of 2022.

 

[Rockvillerich]

They plan to sell 70k of them this year.

There are more Bolts than practically anything but Leafs and Tesla Model 3 or Y.


Not really. That's very inefficient spacing per charger.

And Tesla plans to use the navigation software to manage queues, so they don't have to buy pavement.


That is... what?

Those numbers aren't the least bit comparable. It's not the voltage that matters on Level 2 so much - since it's going to be 240 - as the amperage.

The 131kWh Lightning is twice the size of the Bolt and requires a much beefier Level 2 EVSE to charge in ten hours.

-Crissa

My point was that a slow charging Bolt shouldn't take a lot longer to charge than a Lightning long range.

 

[Crissa]

A little under 80,000 Bolts total in four years, which is less than 1/4 of model 3 and Y production in Q4 of 2022.

This means what, though? Bolt sales outnumber each thing not Tesla. They even outnumber Model S. And they did it having to recall all of their batteries they'd sold over four years.

My point was that a slow charging Bolt shouldn't take a lot longer to charge than a Lightning long range.

You don't slow charge at a Supercharger.

And a Lightning will take twice the time to slow charge at any given EVSE than a Bolt. Because the truck has at least twice the battery than the car.

-Crissa

 

[fritter63]

So the Elephant in the room. Is full size pick-up trucks in mid sized parking.

yes, sorry if I didn't express that well enough

 

[fritter63]

What really makes the most sense to me is lining them up like gas pumps with an aisle between (like a Costco gas station) so that trucks and SUVs pulling trailers can just pull up, but also people can maneuver around vehicles that are currently hooked up.

I think this is what the Baker (Ca) supercharger is designed for. The downside being that you'll be taking up two SC spots when you do that.

But it did provide lots of space in between the cars.

 

[Diehard]

When there is not enough space for a large number of pull through, smaller superchargers should have an entrance and a separate exit so when they are full, customers don’t have to depend on each other’s sense of decency (forced to line up to get in).

 

[scottf200]

I thought the real elephant in the room is this example (Rivian example below doesn't matter as other cars have their charger port in the "wrong" best fit area too).

 

[scottf200]

Unless I'm misunderstanding something Tesla is trying to put in the prefabricated sales as much as possible because they are way cheaper and going in way faster. This was discussed by the head of that area on investor day.

 

[cvalue13]

I thought the real elephant in the room is this example (Rivian example below doesn't matter as other cars have their charger port in the "wrong" best fit area too).

it’s almost as if gasoline stations have for a century been designed to be fuel door location agnostic

man, I just realized, now that Tesla is HQ’d in Texas, they should partner with Buc-ee’s, the gigafactory of refueling (and the Space-X of bathrooms)