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Robot Dog Teaches Itself To Walk an example of how TeslaBot might use AI

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Maybe TeslaBot Optimus sub-Prime could teach itself ??

In the beginning it might need to be kept in a big padded room :)
In how many days later before it takes over the world :-(

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At the University of California (Berkeley, CA), a robot dog just taught itself to walk
AI could help robots learn new skills and adapt to the real world quickly.
By Melissa Heikkilä - MIT Technology Review
July 18, 2022
https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/07/18/1056059/robot-dog-ai-reinforcement/

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The robot dog is waving its legs in the air like an exasperated beetle. After 10 minutes of struggling, it manages to roll over to its front. Half an hour in, the robot is taking its first clumsy steps, like a newborn calf. But after one hour, the robot is strutting around the lab with confidence. What makes this four-legged robot special is that it learned to do all this by itself, without being shown what to do in a computer simulation.

Danijar Hafner and colleagues at the University of California, Berkeley, used an AI technique called reinforcement learning, which trains algorithms by rewarding them for desired actions, to train the robot to walk from scratch in the real world. The team used the same algorithm to successfully train three other robots, such as one that was able to pick up balls and move them from one tray to another. Traditionally, robots are trained in a computer simulator before they attempt to do anything in the real world. For example, a pair of robot legs called Cassie taught itself to walk using reinforcement learning, but only after it had done so in a simulation. "The problem is your simulator will never be as accurate as the real world. There'll always be aspects of the world you're missing," says Hafner, who worked with colleagues Alejandro Escontrela and Philipp Wu on the project and is now an intern at DeepMind. Adapting lessons from the simulator to the real world also requires extra engineering, he says.

The team's algorithm, called Dreamer, uses past experiences to build up a model of the surrounding world. Dreamer also allows the robot to conduct trial-and-error calculations in a computer program as opposed to the real world, by predicting potential future out comes of its potential actions. This allows it to learn faster than it could purely by doing. Once the robot had learned to walk, it kept learning to adapt to unexpected situations, such as resisting being toppled by a stick.[...] Jonathan Hurst, a professor of robotics at Oregon State University, says the findings, which have not yet been peer-reviewed, make it clear that "reinforcement learning will be a cornerstone tool in the future of robot control."

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Learning to Walk in the Real World in 1 Hour
We trained a quadruped robot to learn how to walk directly in the physical world without simulators. Learning from scratch in only 1 hour was possible by using the Dreamer algorithm to continuously learn a world model and plan inside of it.
Jul 6, 2022
Danijar Hafner

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Most people are totally unprepared for how fast artificial intelligence is going to progress. I predict some Christians and other religious sects will denounce it as "the Devil's work" or say the machine has become posessed.

It's not gonna be pretty because people won't understand it.
 

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Most people are totally unprepared for how fast artificial intelligence is going to progress. I predict some Christians and other religious sects will denounce it as "the Devil's work" or say the machine has become posessed.

It's not gonna be pretty because people won't understand it.
My grandfather who passed in 1985 was telling me back in the 70’s that artificial intelligence (he didn’t know that term but referred to huge computers that would track and know everything about each individual) was the coming of the anti-Christ. It would bring about the start of Armageddon. This train of thought has a long history in fundamentalist churches.
 

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My grandfather who passed in 1985 was telling me back in the 70’s that artificial intelligence (he didn’t know that term but referred to huge computers that would track and know everything about each individual) was the coming of the anti-Christ. It would bring about the start of Armageddon. This train of thought has a long history in fundamentalist churches.
(BTW, I'm not religious)About 30 yrs ago I had the idea of writing a book :

'For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.'

My premise that many wars in history, much destruction by evil in history, true agenda has been to suppress technological advancement.

Conversely, many leaders we admire, 'false prophets' are the true evil, who's agenda is the inevitable destruction of God's creation (us humans), and take over Earth with their own artificial creation.

In essence, advancement only leads to the inevitable total destruction of the human race. The greater evil has won.

Maybe Grandfather was right.

The end (Lol)

(its probably been written by now, seems too obv.)
 

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Lol well if EM the CEO of the most advanced robotics and AI company warns about the negative implications of AI, and considers it a threat if not regulated properly, then maybe we should heed the warnings too? You need to be in the know, to know, right?

We have invented many technologies without fully grasping the extent of harm they can cause (look at fossils, fiat markets etc) so there's most definitely nothing wrong with caution before adopting a new technology, particularly if it is capable of relative autonomy and can impact the real world and its systems without a fail-safe.

I also think it's quite interesting that the supposed "non-religious" people know so much about religion. :unsure: Now if such people wanted to really understand what most "Christians" miss when they read the good book, then they should simply read it as an "instruction manual to colonise earth". :eek::alien:?? With that insight it makes a lot more sense, rather than the fluffy stuff that is pedalled by popular beleif.

In regards to technology vs religion, I don't always see this being the case, in fact many important scientists were deeply religious, like Newton who wrote more religious texts than he did scientific. I'm yet to determine which texts had greater impact. Maybe there's something to being naturally curious that searching for meaning beyond one's own navel, leads to greater insight into the universe than if done purely on academic achievement, where perspective is colluded from the outset to conform?

Innovation requires one to step out of the comfort zone, but we should always remain fully aware of where the danger zone starts.

In these situations I like to remember that any tool can be used for the right or wrong reasons, and that intent stems from persons, not things. You can use a hammer to build or demolish, so my main concern with this type of tech development is "who" will end up using it for "what".
 

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I also think it's quite interesting that the supposed "non-religious" people know so much about religionon
 

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Religion is an insight into the past.... perhaps the stories are askew, but main principles, as arcaic as some seem, I view as the glue or new rules for society as it progressed from the Paleolihic to the Neolithic age. Even maybe from before then.. From the earliest of times when we studied the skies.

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  1. You shall not kill.
  2. You shall not commit adultery.
  3. You shall not steal.
  4. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
  5. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
  6. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods.
The 10 commandments were recorded much later than 7000BC's Catalhoyuk, but the principles/rules could have been developed and laid way back then. Looking at the pic, we can possibly understand how these rules apply.
Yet probably still not heeded by year zero.

No different to 500BC's Platos 'The Republic' , we are still learning to deal with those debates to this day.

Trying to understand Plato's the Rupublic from the roots from which it came, and trying to understand Religion, is a similar thing to me.
 

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“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein

“The release of atomic power has changed everything except our way of thinking ... the solution to this problem lies in the heart of mankind. If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker. (1945)”
― Albert Einstein

Artificial Intelligence will either be the salvation of mankind or it's downfall.
At this point in time I'm not sure which would be be better.
 

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Religion is an insight into the past.... perhaps the stories are askew, but main principles, as arcaic as some seem, I view as the glue or new rules for society as it progressed from the Paleolihic to the Neolithic age. Even maybe from before then.. From the earliest of times when we studied the skies.

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  1. You shall not kill.
  2. You shall not commit adultery.
  3. You shall not steal.
  4. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
  5. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
  6. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods.
The 10 commandments were recorded much later than 7000BC's Catalhoyuk, but the principles/rules could have been developed and laid way back then. Looking at the pic, we can possibly understand how these rules apply.
Yet probably still not heeded by year zero.

No different to 500BC's Platos 'The Republic' , we are still learning to deal with those debates to this day.

Trying to understand Plato's the Rupublic from the roots from which it came, and trying to understand Religion, is a similar thing to me.
I don't have a problem with the historical or even the moral aspects of religion, or people that believe in a higher power, most people on the planet do after all, so it wouldn't be rational to distance myself from all of them. :cool:

But I do have a problem with it if it is used to weaponize or marginalize people and perspectives to persecute minorities. From my perspective institutionalized religion is not what a "belief" system should be. Most are really not much better than any other fabricated corporation, especially so if it's primarily about promoting absolution through fear, to grow the organization numbers and influence. Without wanting to sound too condescending, a lot of "religious believers" are there because they have no where else to go, and have fallen through the cracks of any social safety net, and as such have to rely on whatever support they can get, sometimes at the cost of their own self worth. There are only a few that have chosen that pathway not out of the necessity to survive, be that physically, emotionally or financially.

This does not make it a bad thing, the help being given is typically on track for most to cover the most immediate needs, but in the context of religion being a hinderance to technological improvements, the shear mass of people looking for certainty in a uncertain world leads to bias and prejudices that lead to "emotional" and not rational decisions being made. That shouldn't preclude emotional decisions from the process, but it should put it in balance with other criteria for a more nuanced decision making process.

And I suppose these "rules of engagement" should also apply to robots that have autonomy to act within our physical natural world. Asimov's rules of robotics comes to mind, as does various other philosophers, but for all these things I think it's important to also understand the intent and purpose of technology, as many times the tools we use can be both misused and used. Many systems exist that are just flat out morally wrong, and we justify their existence by one way or another. Typically, a manufacturer imbeds functionality into a product by design, however, as creative beings, we often transform that capability to conform with our own personal desires, sometimes in direct opposition to the product design.

I remember a friends kid using a brand new ipad for digging a hole next to the driveway. He'd become bored with the games on offer and wanted to do something physical instead. Nothing wrong with that, but obviously the tool wasn't fit for purpose. :unsure:

It's like diesel engines were designed to run on vegetable oil, because there was no diesel fuel at the time, the Otto cycle engine ran on ethanol not petrol for the same reason.

I often wonder how many tools we use are not "fit for purpose" or efficient, or have been manipulated to fit a market for monetary gain. Much of our technology is a compromise at best.

Even if you look at a EV you end up moving 15-20 more times the mass than payload, many times just so that we can live in a different location to where we work, the internet uses over 10% of the worlds energy, a lot of it to promote tweets and social media "garbage" in an effort to monetize advertising clicks for products we barely need or use etc etc. In the end you have to rationalize some of the features back to "valuable" or "not worth the effort". I think we still have a long way to go to understanding what is the "right or wrong" way to go about achieving desired results, and as such having a good hard look at ourselves, and understanding what our "manufacturers intent" was when they made us humans as "earthly stewards", would go a long way in incorporating us better into naturally sustainable and cyclic natural processes. At a minimum finding our place in those existing systems is just as, if not more important, than making our own artificial place in them.

So although I get the desire to develop such systems using AI, and that the complexity of these sub-set of systems is so high it's hard to achieve the desired results otherwise, I think it's prudent that we do ask the question, more often than not, should we even be relying such developments or promoting them, especially so if they are primarily to first create and then fill a monetary opportunity? Surely our only metric for "right" can't be "can it make money"?

It's a bit like the whole FSD problem, we've had rail based "self-driving" for centuries, and besides what do we drive on if roads are mostly made of fossil derivatives? Then add who is driving and why, and you end up with a miniscule amount of resources and infrastructure required to achieve the desired outcome or transporting products and people. Does anyone really think there will be FSD driven vehicles on Mars that use roads, traffic signs and road markings? It's just another poor consequential solution to a inherited system problem. The solution lies much further ahead of that in the decision making tree. Maybe it's time we started climbing again to get some much needed perspective? ;)
 

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  1. You shall not kill.
  2. You shall not commit adultery.
  3. You shall not steal.
  4. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
  5. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
  6. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods..
Nice bucket list! I’m almost finished, still working on #1
 

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Im I the only 1 not amazed my ai? myabe I just dont understand it enough
i mean it is dam interesting but isnt it all based on what we tell it? like we program it to...figure out how to do a thing based on a set parameters, when it fails, re-jigger some aspects of what u did and try again. of course it will figure it out.

its like taking the long way just to prove u can
 

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Im I the only 1 not amazed my ai? myabe I just dont understand it enough
i mean it is dam interesting but isnt it all based on what we tell it? like we program it to...figure out how to do a thing based on a set parameters, when it fails, re-jigger some aspects of what u did and try again. of course it will figure it out.
We're learning how to teach it, how to set up parameters so that it self-optimizes. This is basic to intelligence. And we didn't know how to do it before.

-Crissa
 

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We're learning how to teach it, how to set up parameters so that it self-optimizes. This is basic to intelligence. And we didn't know how to do it before.

-Crissa
I guess down the line it will be truly useful, I would think that as of now it is probably 5 times the work to do it via AI, rather than just old school programming.
 
 
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