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[mhaze]

The AC system will have to be tossed, for about fifty good reasons.

 

[Crissa]

The AC system will have to be tossed, for about fifty good reasons.

...So the battery has a short lifespan?

-Crissa

 

[Dids]

Did not mean to be overly picky or offensive, let's leave it, the article makes sense and is a good reference.

You asked Are small engines ripe for electrification?

I've got a chainsaw and a blower, 60v Dewalt brand rather high-end things. Both are, in my opinion, great for a homeowner but grossly overpriced. The blower will run for a solid 20 minutes, and the chainsaw will cut about a half cord on one charge. In other words, both will work for about as long as I want to be using them. But clearly, they're not suitable for lawn crews or larger jobs of any sort. No frikking way!!!

The hidden greatness of these is that I can leave them in the car, in the house, anywhere ... without stinking it up with gas fumes. And that's a huge deal; it's a total change of the concept of owning and using these from (A) devices that are kept away from the main house, in the back bed of the truck rather than the front seat, etc. TO devices that are fine anywhere you park them.

Sure, there's a little issue with the chain saw lube oil, but in truth, I have not seen a single spot where it was left sitting. Go figure.

So the answer is Yes and No, and "It's different."

My experience with battery powered hand tools matches yours. It's nice that the chainsaw starts instantly but 15 min of run time per battery is pretty sucky. I imagine if Tesla made a chainsaw it would run for 24 min though....
My Ryobi backpack blower is a joke though. It is a horrible peice of junk.

 

[cvalue13]

My Ryobi backpack blower is a joke though. It is a horrible peice of junk.

gotta get in that EGO ecosystem. They’re why I think Tesla doesn’t need to get in this space

with EGO’s battery options up to a 12ah, only limit to run time is your wallet

they have a handheld blower at 765 CFM

then there’s their commercial series backpack that attaches to various implements:

 

[Ogre]

My experience with battery powered hand tools matches yours. It's nice that the chainsaw starts instantly but 15 min of run time per battery is pretty sucky. I imagine if Tesla made a chainsaw it would run for 24 min though....
My Ryobi backpack blower is a joke though. It is a horrible peice of junk.

There are some good electric chain saws, but they definitely don’t have the endurance of gas powered saws unless you invest a lot into batteries. I have the 60v Dewalt saw and a Stihl 362 for trail work. The Dewalt comes out if I’m going to be fighting a handful of 12” logs and want something lightweight. The Stihl is for days when I’ll be cutting all day long or have a few big logs.

The electric is incredibly useful for things where you start and stop the saw frequently. Was working on a project just recently where we were notching logs. My buddies gas saw was much quicker hogging away material, but we would cut, then test fit, then cut again, sometimes 3-4 times. Each time he has to pull start that saw while I just pull a trigger. Big difference.

If I had the Cybertruck near the worksite, the electric would be a lot more interesting because I could keep the batteries topped off.

 

[Ogre]

gotta get in that EGO ecosystem. They’re why I think Tesla doesn’t need to get in this space

with EGO’s battery options up to a 12ah, only limit to run time is your wallet

they have a handheld blower at 765 CFM

then there’s their commercial series backpack that attaches to various implements:

A buddy of mine uses the Ego chainsaw and loves it.

One other thing about electric saws to be aware of. The chains are thinner this makes the battery last longer, but the thinner chains wear out quicker so you need to sharpen them more often.

 

[cvalue13]

A buddy of mine uses the Ego chainsaw and loves it.

One other thing about electric saws to be aware of. The chains are thinner this makes the battery last longer, but the thinner chains wear out quicker so you need to sharpen them more often.

given our now annual ice storm issues here in central Texas, I just two weeks ago got my ego 18” chainsaw and have loved it. I have pretty light duty/infrequent chainsaw needs.

man an admission: with replacement chains being only $30, I’m very likely to just buy several before at some point doing a bill drop-off for sharpening the lot of ‘em

 

[Ogre]

given our now annual ice storm issues here in central Texas, I just two weeks ago got my ego 18” chainsaw and have loved it. I have pretty light duty/infrequent chainsaw needs.

man an admission: with replacement chains being only $30, I’m very likely to just buy several before at some point doing a bill drop-off for sharpening the lot of ‘em

The electric saws are fantastic for keeping in your truck in the winter time if you are worried about downed trees.

Sharpening a chainsaw is a weird skill so if you don’t know how, dropping them off at the shop is a good way to go.

 

[Crissa]

The Dewalt with the 60v battery is super-accurate, too, without all that vibration of the motor. It's kinda amazing what kind of cuts my spouse can get.

But then again, we also have a Lancelot, and well, it does its job but it's literally the most dangerous tool I have ever seen. However... If you need a blade down into a stump, there's nothing better.

-Crissa

 

[mhaze]

My experience with battery powered hand tools matches yours. It's nice that the chainsaw starts instantly but 15 min of run time per battery is pretty sucky. I imagine if Tesla made a chainsaw it would run for 24 min though....
My Ryobi backpack blower is a joke though. It is a horrible peice of junk.

I use the chainsaw for an occasional tree that falls or has to be cut down. Mine is the 60v Dewalt with a 4A or 6A battery. I'll do a 12-20" oak tree no problemas. But routinely that saw gets used to cut oak and mesquite for the smoker. It's perfect for that, sort of like what one-click buying on Amazon is about. Quick and effortless.

 

[mhaze]

gotta get in that EGO ecosystem. They’re why I think Tesla doesn’t need to get in this space

with EGO’s battery options up to a 12ah, only limit to run time is your wallet

they have a handheld blower at 765 CFM
....

Yes and no, and its different. For example -

The goal of a successful battery-operated tool is not to match the performance profile of a gas-powered similar tool but to do what it does best while leaving it acknowledged what the gas-powered tool does best.

For example, I have a great 36v dewalt drill/hammerdrill. But everyone loves the little lightweight ryobi drill/driver. And for working on cars, guys like even smaller impact drivers because oftentimes the bulk of the tool gets in the way in tight quarters. Plus which do you want to be swinging around for eight hours, an eight pound tool or a two pound tool?

 

[cvalue13]

Yes and no, and its different. For example -

The goal of a successful battery-operated tool is not to match the performance profile of a gas-powered similar tool but to do what it does best while leaving it acknowledged what the gas-powered tool does best.

For example, I have a great 36v dewalt drill/hammerdrill. But everyone loves the little lightweight ryobi drill/driver. And for working on cars, guys like even smaller impact drivers because oftentimes the bulk of the tool gets in the way in tight quarters. Plus which do you want to be swinging around for eight hours, an eight pound tool or a two pound tool?

“yes and no” to what, exactly.

apologies, I’m not following what you’re taking exception to.

Seems like you thought I was somehow asserting that different tools aren’t for different jobs?

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

The next Tesla has been spied several times in the last few days... or has it? it's either a Tesla made to look like Mazda CX30, or a CX30 made to look like a Tesla.

 

[Ogre]

Yes and no, and its different. For example -

The goal of a successful battery-operated tool is not to match the performance profile of a gas-powered similar tool but to do what it does best while leaving it acknowledged what the gas-powered tool does best.

Kind of disagree here.

Dewalt and ego tools design there Tools specifically to compete with gas, powered tools. That’s the entire point of deWalt tool line of gardening tools. The blower the chainsaw. The hedge trimmers are all designed replace gas tools.

Realistically what you describes how a person should use them and I think Dewalt knows what the limits of their tools are but they’re pushing those limits all the time.

 

[mhaze]

How does this sound.

It's pretty simple. If you're an average homeowner using a tool for 20 minutes or so, the Li battery powered garden tool will work - IF YOU GET the high end tool. If you get the low priced battery powered garden tool, you will be throwing it away.

I'm kind of in between, I have some of the battery stuff at home but on jobs its the best gas powered. Has to be.