WHOOOOA! Sandy Munro calls Tesla FSD CRAP!

[Crissa]

China is not 10-20 years behind the electric vehicle industry. Tesla buys batteries from Chinese CATL so a big chunk of the Model 3 SR is Chinese. So we’d better hope they are 10 years behind.

BYD and CATL are huge parts of the EV industry. It is entirely likely Tesla will use cells from both companies. If BYD can make an LFP “Blade” based vehicle for the US market, it would likely do quite well.

Geely group (Chinese) owns Volvo and Polestar and much of their manufacturing is done in China.

The Chinese don’t need to beat Tesla, most of the US and EU based legacy auto-companies are doing an absolutely terrible job moving to EVs. GM already outsourced most of the Bolt design to a Korean company. Would not surprise me to see similar partnerships with Ford or GM and either BYD or Geely.

China's home-grown auto industry is behind. Each have pieces, but none have the whole bit. None have the safety ratings Tesla does. CATL has optimized a cell type no one else in the world was working on because it was inherently more expensive due to license. And Geely may own some brands, but those are foreign engineers and factories.

But much of the US auto industry is five, ten years behind Tesla, too. There's no shame in it.

-Crissa

 

[Ogre]

China's home-grown auto industry is behind. Each have pieces, but none have the whole bit. None have the safety ratings Tesla does. CATL has optimized a cell type no one else in the world was working on because it was inherently more expensive due to license. And Geely may own some brands, but those are foreign engineers and factories.

But much of the US auto industry is five, ten years behind Tesla, too. There's no shame in it.

-Crissa

Again, the Chinese don’t need to be on pace with Tesla. They need to be on pace with legacy auto.

GM produced 26 EVs last quarter. Ford struggled to get 35,000 Mach Es out. Subaru is selling 6,500 Solterras this year.

Each of them could be selling 100k. The Chinese are producing those volumes.

It’s hard to say what the Chinese companies could do for the US market since they don’t compete here yet, but they are doing a lot better on their home turf versus Tesla than legacy auto is here in the US.

I look at cars from BYD and I see a much more compelling offering than what Ford and GM are putting out.

 

[Crissa]

The Chinese are not producing that volume of long-range EVs. Or even what we would call highway-capable EVs. They don't have the battery size or the crash ratings. Or reliability.

Yet.

-Crissa

 

[CyberGus]

Again, the Chinese don’t need to be on pace with Tesla. They need to be on pace with legacy auto.

I don’t need to be faster than the tiger. I need to be slightly faster than the slowest person.

 

[ED_SFO]

Throughout my years of driving ..can we teach/program a computer for commen sense? Level 3 would eventually be this decade...level 4 or 5 will definitely take longer.

 

[nomadmusk]

I heard China's making a 1 Tesla policy cause they're outselling Nio. ?

 

[Bkent100]

Tesla needs to stop re- engineering things that work already. As example, blind spot monitoring… what obviously works best is a color change in side mirrorand audible alert.. why re- engineer? Example 2, put in a HUD… when Fsd arrives ( and acrtyalky works), take it out.

 

[CyberGus]

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

I didn't click on the video but is this "E for Electric"? If so the guy is biased against Tesla and the title seems click-baity.

When Sandy was on the 3 tour last year, someone gave him a ride in an earlier version of FSD and was impressed.

Every time Sandy has gone on tour, with the Model Y and with the Plaid Model S, he and Cory have both said that they use AP virtually the whole time. I watched a video with him and the Blue Cruise product manager where he openly criticized Ford for being nowhere close to Tesla, and I have seen him say on his own show many times that no one is even close to Tesla on ADAS. One thing I have noted in his reviews of FSD is that he will say that FSD doesn't do well when the car is on an offramp with poor or no lane markings. FLIR will not be able to see any lane markings because there will be no difference in the IR signature of paint and road...whoever uses it will have to have multiple systems working together, and they will have to weigh the evaluations of each of those systems, just as Tesla has. I do not trust this guy at E for Electric one bit. For the longest time he was pushing VW's ID.4 and is always trying to find ways to grind Tesla. FSD does have limitations but these can be improved with time. What I do not understand is why Sandy did this rant on FSD not using FLIR after going after NHTSA for their bias with LiDAR.

 

[LoneWolfO6]

SANDY MUNRO: Tesla's FSD "Crap", Better Tech Available

I agree with that, It is! Tesla has been selling tricks, smoke and mirrors at a ever increasing price and it still is not released as “Full” SD as the name intended. People didn’t drop all that money for Beta and self parking?! It’s like Holmes selling her blood machines and making billions but actually never releasing a final working product?!

 

[LoneWolfO6]

Yep.

At the time I thought I would be stuck with buying it if I clicked on it.

I wound up dropping another $100 on a second reservation later on to lock in FSD pricing at $10k. That one is 100s of thousands later in the queue though. What I should have done was lock in FSD on that primary order too.

I need John K’s retro-perspective generator.

Yes I clicked the $7000 with the CT, but that was act of faith. Feel like I put my money in a non interest bank account knowing I would not gain anything for my initial investment. The price has risen many time, but Beta still has a human riding along and probably will for another decade. We are a long way from “Blade Runner”!

 

[Ogre]

Yes I clicked the $7000 with the CT, but that was act of faith. Feel like I put my money in a non interest bank account knowing I would not gain anything for my initial investment. The price has risen many time, but Beta still has a human riding along and probably will for another decade. We are a long way from “Blade Runner”!

If we ever get to “Human Optional” that will be a huge bonus.

Personally my hope for FSD/ Autopilot is very nearly fulfilled. I go on long rides on my bike and often come home just exhausted. A few years ago I had issues with dozing at the wheel on the drive home or during big drives. No accidents, and I’ve long since learned to recognize when I am too tired to drive now and pull over to sleep.

IMO the current state is vastly safer than human only or human + cruise control. If the driver dozes off, the alert starts chiming after 30 seconds. If you ignore the alert, it sounds a louder alert. Ignore that and the car slows to a STOP. While that isn’t ideal, it’s far safer than rolling off the edge of the road.

Better. But needs to be even better before you can rely on it.

 

[Crissa]

Throughout my years of driving ..can we teach/program a computer for commen sense? Level 3 would eventually be this decade...level 4 or 5 will definitely take longer.

The difference in AI between Level 3 and Level 5 is mostly regulatory, not actually AI. And the difference between level 4 and 5 is mostly support network, also not AI.

In all three cases, the AI has to negotiate if an alien lands on the highway or some idiot dumps something on the road and the road disappears and there are random other drivers or passengers wandering around.

-Crissa

 

[Qball]

Tesla FSD does have a long way to go this I agree with Sandy Munro. However IMHO they are on the right track and making huge strides with recent software and very importantly hardware improvement. The bigger downfall for FSD has always been Elon’s optimistic timeline, they got better and realized they need to start from scratch! But this is first time I agree with Elon that Tesla FSD is getting close, very close!

 

[TruckElectric]

When Sandy was on the 3 tour last year, someone gave him a ride in an earlier version of FSD and was impressed.

Correct, which makes his criticism in this vid so awkward and comes across as bipolar.

Sandy has criticized, albeit briefly, the camera approach to FSD in some of his other vids.