Model 3 Refresh Revealed!

[CYBRSMTH]

Brilliant! Going to dominate the ev market in China and then US. Next step in Tesla separating from the rest of the market

Don’t forget Europe!

 

[CYBRSMTH]

Won't be available for order until October.

Won’t be available for order until October in China and Europe. The US will have to wait. No performance model listed yet, but they’re working on it.

 

[Coolbreeze704]

If I remember automotive lore correctly, push button shifters were considered problematic because they were error-prone.

I haven't driven a stalkless Tesla yet, but this could be a dealbreaker for me.

(I'll test drive one to be sure before I make any big moves.)

my Model Y is missing several important controls on the stalks (like windshield wipers and headlights), and the quick access on the touch screen isn't so quick.

Enough little stuff like this could easily add up to a deal breaker -- especially in a post-2025 auto market, where Ford's Project T3 will be competing with the Cybertruck in a NACS-world.

Just wondering if you have pushed the roller to activate voice control and just ask the car to put on the wipers?

Topic	Command
Apps and Settings	"Open browser/phone/camera/lock settings..." "Search Google for the weather..." "Go to tesla.com..."
Car Controls	"Activate sentry mode" "Increase screen brightness" "Turn on windshield wipers/increase wiper speed" "Fold/unfold side mirrors" "Open charge port" "Lock doors"
Climate Controls	"Set the temperature/fan..." "Turn on the air conditioning/dog mode/camp mode..." "Make it warmer" "Set the driver’s seat warmer to..." "Decrease fan speed..." "I’m cold" "Turn on recirculate"
Navigation	"Go home/to work/to the airport..." "Navigate to 45500 Fremont Blvd..." "Take me to the school/the park..." "Zoom in" "Turn on satellite mode/traffic..." "Display Superchargers/Destination Chargers..." "Stop navigation" "Mute voice guidance"
Phone	"Call home/Franz/Syd..." "Text message David"
Media	"Open music, Netflix/YouTube..." "Play..." "Search for..." "Mute media"

 

[CYBRSMTH]

Gear shift is AI plus screen. Likely to be a real PITA.

I think they’re talking about haptic buttons on the rear view mirror as well, in case the screen goes out and you can’t switch gears.

 

[Luke42]

Just wondering if you have pushed the roller to activate voice control and just ask the car to put on the wipers?

Topic	Command
Apps and Settings	"Open browser/phone/camera/lock settings..." "Search Google for the weather..." "Go to tesla.com..."
Car Controls	"Activate sentry mode" "Increase screen brightness" "Turn on windshield wipers/increase wiper speed" "Fold/unfold side mirrors" "Open charge port" "Lock doors"
Climate Controls	"Set the temperature/fan..." "Turn on the air conditioning/dog mode/camp mode..." "Make it warmer" "Set the driver’s seat warmer to..." "Decrease fan speed..." "I’m cold" "Turn on recirculate"
Navigation	"Go home/to work/to the airport..." "Navigate to 45500 Fremont Blvd..." "Take me to the school/the park..." "Zoom in" "Turn on satellite mode/traffic..." "Display Superchargers/Destination Chargers..." "Stop navigation" "Mute voice guidance"
Phone	"Call home/Franz/Syd..." "Text message David"
Media	"Open music, Netflix/YouTube..." "Play..." "Search for..." "Mute media"

This is not a PEBKAC problem.

Activating the wipers isn't the problem.

These problems interact:

• Enabling cruise control ("autopilot") enables auto-wipers. Auto wipers always seem to be enabled.
• Getting the auto-wipers to stop in situations where running the wipers generates self-inflicted streaks -- which causes the wipers to run faster, thereby making the problem worse.
• Voice controls requires offboard cloud processing, and so aren't reliable in places with lousy cell coverage -- like the parking lot at my office. It's a lot more annoying than the wiper switch in my other vehicles.
• Pushing and holding the left scroll wheel and setting that to control the windshield wipers is technically another solution, but it's also a lot more annoying than the wiper switch in my other vehicles.

I'm a big fan of my MYLR, and it's still the best car on earth for me at the moment, but that has more to do with it's EVness than its Teslaness.

Here are some accessories Tesla could sell me:

• Stalks with standard automotive parts-bin switches for windshield wipers and headlights that are fully supported by the embedded aoftware in the car.
• A rear hatch with a Prius-style split real windshield and a rear wiper.
• Matrix headlights. That's a genuine upgrade.
• Working door-seals (I need to get the driver's door seal replace for a 2nd time).

Note that FSD and Acceleration Boost are NOT on that list -- they're both an objectively poor value at their current price-points.

My criticism is coming from a place of being a huge fan of my Model Y. It's the best vehicle I've ever owned, but these self-inflicted usability problems need to be fixed ASAP.

Tesla has about 18 months left of being the only 1st-tier EV-maker in the market, and so they're going to need to understand and fix their self-inflicted usability problems to face the more-competitive market they'll be facing in Model Year 2025.

 

[RayzorBEV]

No more fog lights, it seems : (

 

[PilotPete]

I think they’re talking about haptic buttons on the rear view mirror as well, in case the screen goes out and you can’t switch gears.

There are a couple videos that show the alternate gear selection and hazard lights on a small panel above the rear view mirror. Supposedly only shows up when needed.

 

[Knucklehead]

This is not a PEBKAC problem.

Activating the wipers isn't the problem.

These problems interact:

• Enabling cruise control ("autopilot") enables auto-wipers. Auto wipers always seem to be enabled.
• Getting the auto-wipers to stop in situations where running the wipers generates self-inflicted streaks -- which causes the wipers to run faster, thereby making the problem worse.
• Voice controls requires offboard cloud processing, and so aren't reliable in places with lousy cell coverage -- like the parking lot at my office. It's a lot more annoying than the wiper switch in my other vehicles.
• Pushing and holding the left scroll wheel and setting that to control the windshield wipers is technically another solution, but it's also a lot more annoying than the wiper switch in my other vehicles.

I'm a big fan of my MYLR, and it's still the best car on earth for me at the moment, but that has more to do with it's EVness than its Teslaness.

Here are some accessories Tesla could sell me:

• Stalks with standard automotive parts-bin switches for windshield wipers and headlights that are fully supported by the embedded aoftware in the car.
• A rear hatch with a Prius-style split real windshield and a rear wiper.
• Matrix headlights. That's a genuine upgrade.
• Working door-seals (I need to get the driver's door seal replace for a 2nd time).

Note that FSD and Acceleration Boost are NOT on that list -- they're both an objectively poor value at their current price-points.

My criticism is coming from a place of being a huge fan of my Model Y. It's the best vehicle I've ever owned, but these self-inflicted usability problems need to be fixed ASAP.

Tesla has about 18 months left of being the only 1st-tier EV-maker in the market, and so they're going to need to understand and fix their self-inflicted usability problems to face the more-competitive market they'll be facing in Model Year 2025.

Selling accessories that allow us to add physical buttons and stalks is a great idea. Tesla can make money on selling the parts, and we can personalize our cars exactly like we want them.

I am also skeptical regarding the loss of a physical drive selector, but I am willing to see if the approach really works or not. Mostly I am worried about emergency maneuvers that are rare but when they occur require moving the car in a direction the car doesn't think it should go. It is one thing to be inconvenienced because it is hard to select the drive mode, but in an emergency when seconds could save a life or reduce the chance of severe injury I want to be able to force the car in any direction I need to go regardless of what the car thinks.

 

[Setok]

I think they’re talking about haptic buttons on the rear view mirror as well, in case the screen goes out and you can’t switch gears.

Yes there are apparently haptic buttons on the roof. Being haptic they will still be unusable without looking, and that position is awkward, so not a real replacement for the stalk.

 

[CYBRSMTH]

The new model 3 has a second gear shifter up top. Guessing cybertruck will be the same.

This is

Yes there are apparently haptic buttons on the roof. Being haptic they will still be unusable without looking, and that position is awkward, so not a real replacement for the stalk.

Yeah, Elon is hellbent on making FSD a reality. Even if that means removing everything from the car before they achieve it!

 

[wtibbit]

No more fog lights, it seems : (

The number of vehicle/years I've had fog lights (1972-present): 135 Vehicle Years
Number of operating hours I've used fog lights (very generous guess): Less than 100 hours

I'm probably in the minority, but I don't even care if fog lights are on a vehicle I own. I might not even notice.

That said, I'll bet there are fog lights installed on the Cybertruck, or a fog light function is somehow provided.

 

[Crissa]

Yes there are apparently haptic buttons on the roof. Being haptic they will still be unusable without looking, and that position is awkward, so not a real replacement for the stalk.

You should never be using them without the car being not in motion.

-Crissa

PS, I live where I hit thick fog pretty frequently. So thick that dew constantly builds up on my visor and tank or windshield and car.

Fog lights were pretty useful in the 80s. Today with HID LED lights? Not really. I can barely tell when I turn on the fog lights, but mostly, they do nothing. And they don't really help with fog.

 

[Setok]

You should never be using them without the car being not in motion.

-Crissa

PS, I live where I hit thick fog pretty frequently. So thick that dew constantly builds up on my visor and tank or windshield and car.

Fog lights were pretty useful in the 80s. Today with HID LED lights? Not really. I can barely tell when I turn on the fog lights, but mostly, they do nothing. And they don't really help with fog.

To get out of thick snow, doing forward/back moves while not stopping is The Way.

I too have had almost no use for front fog lights. Rear ones are essential though (and a legal requirement here).

 

[JWass]

Another argument for going stalkless is…
Changing the stall positions requires you to lift your hand off the wheel or at least move it significantly. With capacitive buttons on the wheel changing indicators will work the same way changing volume for the radio. Seems like an improvement in safety.

Now I understand that changing gear requires you to still remove your hand but so does having a shifter. I believe though that they will try to build that into the system to do it for you….in time.

That’s the beauty of using UI on screen. It can be updated and adapted like our phones and computers. Adding or removing features and improving functionality.

 

[JWass]

To get out of thick snow, doing forward/back moves while not stopping is The Way.

I too have had almost no use for front fog lights. Rear ones are essential though (and a legal requirement here).

I think someone mentioned this earlier. I imagine having a forward/backward motion built into the software to help you get out of snow, mud, etc. can be added and tweaked pretty easily.
Maybe suggest it on X/Twitter. Elon responds well to good suggestions like this.