Anti-EV idiocy

[SwampNut]

So confidently incorrect, and so much stupid in one single post. Wow.



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No to EV's, the batteries are a pollutant not only in their manufacturing but also in their disposal. The mining for the minerals is horrible for the environment AND the electric they used is brought about by fossil fuels so where are the advantages? Plus many places that have gone green can not generate enough power so people can actually charge them. They take a long time to charge and are not any good in an emergency or evacuation, if the battery goes dead there is no way to bring a can of electric to the car, you are stranded. Oh and those quick chargers can ruin the battery and the battery will cost at least 15- 20k to replace

 

[Tinker71]

Nuclear requires tons and tons of building materials - and so like hydro, has this incredible front-loaded carbon cost.

Weirdly they forget the carbon load involved to create every gallon of gas from the ground.

-Crissa

I welcome the day when people do a fair apples to apples comparison without having to be told or shamed.

 

[SwampNut]

I'm glad Tesla made the SCs bigger than necessary and super flashy. I originally thought it was just his massive ego, and using them as a penis enlarger. But I've learned that the out of sight, small chargers are perceived as not existing. I was recently in a group of around 12 people in a small town, and I said something about the chargers in their town all being slow.

Everyone looked at me like I'd pulled a wiggling baby alien out of my pocket. "Chargers? Here? You have to be kidding!" Not a single person knew that there were five public chargers in their town. I pulled them up in the app and they couldn't believe it. This "negative knowledge" also feeds the "EVs aren't ready for prime time" ideas.

 

[Zabhawkin]

Everyone looked at me like I'd pulled a wiggling baby alien out of my pocket. "Chargers? Here? You have to be kidding!" Not a single person knew that there were five public chargers in their town. I pulled them up in the app and they couldn't believe it. This "negative knowledge" also feeds the "EVs aren't ready for prime time" ideas.

Surprisingly had the opposite happen in a farming town in Kansas recently. My wife's family had questions about electric cars and trucks so my wife had me answering them. I mentioned that they didn't have a charging station in their town yet and they were shocked because they knew about the ones in a couple of the smaller towns near them.

 

[SwampNut]

Sounds like they are intellectually honest and EV-curious, so they don't assume. I feel like at least half the population is at least mildly anti or skeptical of EVs, and base it on not seeing the infrastructure. Interest and happy to hear that there are people being smart about it though.

Also the context for my discussion is that while I wanted to rent a Polestar 2, there was simply no way for me to go from Rochester to Sayre PA and back, with some errand driving, with the fastest charger anywhere on the path being 16k (and in town, 8k). "See, electrics don't work here!" Except it would be fine with a home charger.

 

[Zabhawkin]

Sounds like they are intellectually honest and EV-curious, so they don't assume. I feel like at least half the population is at least mildly anti or skeptical of EVs, and base it on not seeing the infrastructure. Interest and happy to hear that there are people being smart about it though.

One of the questions was whether I thought batteries could operate the harvesters well enough with them using them for days straight only shutting down long enough to refuel and change operators. I honestly said no, but that may change in the future. They were surprised that heavy trucks were coming soon that had enough range to deliver what they harvested.

They were skeptical but willing to listen. Most of them have the mineral rites for their land and receive money from the oil and gas wells on their property.

 

[CyberGus]

Sounds like they are intellectually honest and EV-curious, so they don't assume.

I'm buying an EV in addition to my ICE car, does that make me bi-curious

 

[CyberGus]

Some of the angst I hear from diehard ICEers revolves around tradition. "I bonded with my father as he taught me auto maintenance, now I won't get to teach my son the same thing ???"

They're not wrong. Auto repair/modification/maintenance is a longstanding American Tradition steeped in semi-toxic masculinity. It's a loss that many have the right to mourn.

 

[SwampNut]

I'm buying an EV in addition to my ICE car, does that make me bi-curious

Well, I do have both, and though I love my Tesla, the Smart is neat enough to make me have to think about which way to swing for most drives.

 

[Sirfun]

Sounds like they are intellectually honest and EV-curious, so they don't assume. I feel like at least half the population is at least mildly anti or skeptical of EVs, and base it on not seeing the infrastructure. Interest and happy to hear that there are people being smart about it though.

Also the context for my discussion is that while I wanted to rent a Polestar 2, there was simply no way for me to go from Rochester to Sayre PA and back, with some errand driving, with the fastest charger anywhere on the path being 16k (and in town, 8k). "See, electrics don't work here!" Except it would be fine with a home charger.

I agree, at least half the population is at least mildly anti or skeptical of EVs. Also, we need to realize many of those people are our family and friends. It's much more than lack of infrastructure though.
It's a constant bombardment of bad information and flat out lies that is a major campaign by interests that don't want EVs. Those interests are much more than just the oil industry. Anyone who has ever gone to a car dealer to look at Electric vehicles has experienced a taste of how much car dealers DON'T want EVs. This morning I went to the BMW/Mini dealer to get a new backup Key fob for my mother-in-law. Anyway while I was in their massive showroom in L.A. I went looking for the new BMW EVs. A salesperson came over to ask if they could help me. And I asked her if they had any EVs. The response was no, there's a stop sale on them currently. Apparently some software issue was all I could get out of her. Then I said, even though you can't sell any today at some point they're going to be on sale. Why not have any for people to demo. She turns around and says, even when they come in they are already sold, and we put them in the basement. There's over a year wait to get one.
Obviously this dealer is doing their best to get you to NOT buy an EV and purchase one of their ICE vehicles!
How about Fox News bombarding people with trash like this article about EVs exploding after Hurricane Ian in Florida. Check out the comments section it's enlightening.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/el...mage-hurricane-ian-top-florida-official-warns

 

[firsttruck]

Some of the angst I hear from diehard ICEers revolves around tradition. "I bonded with my father as he taught me auto maintenance, now I won't get to teach my son the same thing ???"

They're not wrong. Auto repair/modification/maintenance is a longstanding American Tradition steeped in semi-toxic masculinity. It's a loss that many have the right to mourn.

Bonding with your dad on maintenance of ICE car was possible in 1940s - 1970s. But with today's high efficiency engines & complex exacting emissions systems, DIY of ICE is much less possible and may be ill-advised to even attempt unless factory trained.

In a time many decades ago I had completely torn & rebuilt engines, transmissions, replaced burned complete engine/front-end/dash wiring harnesses, rear-ends, turned brake drums, and more.

I don't even try to change spark mplugs on today's ICE.

 

[SwampNut]

That's hilarious, I've spent quite a bit of time with neighbors' kids helping with their cars because some dads aren't so proficient. There's no magic to light works like plugs, brakes, u-joints and CVs, fluids, etc. If the Tesla is still in my household out of warranty I'll mostly care for it myself. And then we still have motorcycles, e-bikes, regular bikes, and so much more to work on with our kids.

 

[Zabhawkin]

That's hilarious, I've spent quite a bit of time with neighbors' kids helping with their cars because some dads aren't so proficient. There's no magic to light works like plugs, brakes, u-joints and CVs, fluids, etc. If the Tesla is still in my household out of warranty I'll mostly care for it myself. And then we still have motorcycles, e-bikes, regular bikes, and so much more to work on with our kids.

There is still a large group that maintains and modifies modern cars. Ugly has an engine and transmission out of a 2003 so relatively modern.

I like to brag that my wife knows more about cars than most men because its true.

 

[Sirfun]

Bonding with your dad on maintenance of ICE car was possible in 1940s - 1970s. But with today's high efficiency engines & complex exacting emissions systems, DIY of ICE is much less possible and may be ill-advised to even attempt unless factory trained.

In a time many decades ago I had completely torn & rebuilt engines, transmissions, replaced burned complete engine/front-end/dash wiring harnesses, rear-ends, turned brake drums, and more.

I don't even try to change plugs on today's ICE.

Yep, back in the day I raced motocross, and I would do anything but the transmission on bikes. Now I'm with you, I've found some great mechanics. I pay them to do everything. The other funny thing is I have a 19 year old who loves cars (especially Toyota). He's in the Toyota T-10 program to become a Toyota certified tech. He already knows more about working on cars than I do.

 

[charliemagpie]

It is a serious matter. The numbers involved filter a significant impact.

People have pride in what they do, what they know.

Wasn't good in school, can't stand math's, has a limited vocabulary. But is a decent type who loves fixing cars... or driving trucks. This is everything. Defines them.

They are lost. Will be.

So many cases where preferring ICE is hanging onto their lives.